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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7344</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Up until recently computers were just another tool for me, I used them at work and at home always windows and I must have been one of the lucky ones I can not recall any real dramas along the way. I did not align myself in the windows camp, computers were just a tool  something constantly evolving and improving and helping get the job done. I had heard of Linux it sounded interesting but I never had the time to learn about using it as a alternative to windows. I now have the time and have been using Ubuntu and Puppy mainly to learn and teach myself more about computers and OS&#039;s. I use Ubuntu Forums and I am constantly surprised how passionate some Ubuntu user&#039;s are in defence of a OS. Absolutely amazing. I like Linux and in particular Ubuntu and will continue to use both and computers are now more of a hobby for me. People crash motorbike&#039;s and cars and people often are the real reason for their computers crashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Up until recently computers were just another tool for me, I used them at work and at home always windows and I must have been one of the lucky ones I can not recall any real dramas along the way. I did not align myself in the windows camp, computers were just a tool  something constantly evolving and improving and helping get the job done. I had heard of Linux it sounded interesting but I never had the time to learn about using it as a alternative to windows. I now have the time and have been using Ubuntu and Puppy mainly to learn and teach myself more about computers and OS&#8217;s. I use Ubuntu Forums and I am constantly surprised how passionate some Ubuntu user&#8217;s are in defence of a OS. Absolutely amazing. I like Linux and in particular Ubuntu and will continue to use both and computers are now more of a hobby for me. People crash motorbike&#8217;s and cars and people often are the real reason for their computers crashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Hooman</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7328</link>
		<dc:creator>Hooman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting site, and I&#039;m actually trying to use this to recover files off a non starting Windows XP machine. After a lifetime of windows, from DOS, to Windows 3.0 to XP Pro (I skipped Vista, 7) I moved to a Mac 2 years ago and haven&#039;t had any problems. I use it for work and home (same machine) for everything from casual internet browsing, to iphone, to Photoshop CS4, Illustrator, Lightroom (all those for work), the iWork system, iMovie, iDVD, etc.. and honestly, it does just work. I can&#039;t tell you how much I hate the pain windows gives. Even after I stopped using windows, I had to troubleshoot my brother, girlfriend, parents. It never ended.

Over the past year, they&#039;ve all converted to macs, and I only hear from them asking &quot;Hey, can I do _____&quot;, or &quot;How do I&quot;, and I pop on a screenshare with iChat (which yes, just works), show them, they&#039;re happy and that&#039;s it. 

I know no OS is perfect, but for me, after 25 years of windows, OS X is nirvana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting site, and I&#8217;m actually trying to use this to recover files off a non starting Windows XP machine. After a lifetime of windows, from DOS, to Windows 3.0 to XP Pro (I skipped Vista, 7) I moved to a Mac 2 years ago and haven&#8217;t had any problems. I use it for work and home (same machine) for everything from casual internet browsing, to iphone, to Photoshop CS4, Illustrator, Lightroom (all those for work), the iWork system, iMovie, iDVD, etc.. and honestly, it does just work. I can&#8217;t tell you how much I hate the pain windows gives. Even after I stopped using windows, I had to troubleshoot my brother, girlfriend, parents. It never ended.</p>
<p>Over the past year, they&#8217;ve all converted to macs, and I only hear from them asking &#8220;Hey, can I do _____&#8221;, or &#8220;How do I&#8221;, and I pop on a screenshare with iChat (which yes, just works), show them, they&#8217;re happy and that&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>I know no OS is perfect, but for me, after 25 years of windows, OS X is nirvana.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7114</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Linux run it on all my servers and support it at work, enough that I am confused for a moment when VI commands don&#039;t work in a web form but...

HDMI? Graphics Drivers? Non standard resolutions?

How about being able to legally play all multimedia formats and DVDs without breaking any laws in the country I live in?

Or interfacing with my gadgets without too much bullshine, if at all...

Granted these are really not technical limitations of Linux, but rather policol or business limitations. They are still barriers to my using it as a desktop.
 
Finally...

http://revver.com/video/3946/every-os-sucks-song/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Linux run it on all my servers and support it at work, enough that I am confused for a moment when VI commands don&#8217;t work in a web form but&#8230;</p>
<p>HDMI? Graphics Drivers? Non standard resolutions?</p>
<p>How about being able to legally play all multimedia formats and DVDs without breaking any laws in the country I live in?</p>
<p>Or interfacing with my gadgets without too much bullshine, if at all&#8230;</p>
<p>Granted these are really not technical limitations of Linux, but rather policol or business limitations. They are still barriers to my using it as a desktop.</p>
<p>Finally&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://revver.com/video/3946/every-os-sucks-song/" rel="nofollow">http://revver.com/video/3946/every-os-sucks-song/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7102</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Linux desktop isn’t ready for the masses, and anyone who says it is, is just fooling themselves.&quot;

Please don&#039;t presume to speak for us. We are part of those &quot;masses&quot;, just average PC desktop users. We have been using Ubuntu exclusively since June 2008 and it works great - no problems and nothing we want to do that we can&#039;t do. We take photos, listen to music, write books, speadsheets, websites, articles, upload to You Tube, edit Wikipedia, run discussion groups and thousands more things. No spyware, no viruses and all free of charge. Ubuntu works flawlessly on our desktops.

In our house 2008 was &quot;Year of the Linux Desktop&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Linux desktop isn’t ready for the masses, and anyone who says it is, is just fooling themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t presume to speak for us. We are part of those &#8220;masses&#8221;, just average PC desktop users. We have been using Ubuntu exclusively since June 2008 and it works great &#8211; no problems and nothing we want to do that we can&#8217;t do. We take photos, listen to music, write books, speadsheets, websites, articles, upload to You Tube, edit Wikipedia, run discussion groups and thousands more things. No spyware, no viruses and all free of charge. Ubuntu works flawlessly on our desktops.</p>
<p>In our house 2008 was &#8220;Year of the Linux Desktop&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ubuntucat</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7097</link>
		<dc:creator>ubuntucat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Linux desktop isn’t ready for the masses, and anyone who says it is, is just fooling themselves.&lt;/i&gt;

My point isn&#039;t that Linux is ready for the masses. My point is that Windows and Mac aren&#039;t either. &quot;Readiness&quot; is a red herring. There are many factors involved in what operating system people choose to use&#8212;&quot;readiness&quot; is not one of them.

&lt;i&gt;There won’t be a “Year of the Linux Desktop” for some time, unless we really buckle down, and quit treating it like hacker’s wet dream.&lt;/i&gt;

Did I say there would be a year of the Linux desktop? I actually distinctly said there wouldn&#039;t be: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/the-linux-desktop-myth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Linux Desktop Myth&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;C’mon, in what way is this woman’s problems with her iPhone/iTunes a Windows problem? Is this apples or oranges?&lt;/i&gt;

This is again a double standard that Linux faces. So if someone had problems with her iPhone on Linux, people would say Linux has a problem, but since she has a problem with her iPhone on Windows... it&#039;s Apple&#039;s problem, I guess? Windows isn&#039;t to blame? To most end users, &lt;i&gt;blame&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;fault&lt;/i&gt; are irrelevant. They are either facing problems or they&#039;re not. If they are facing problems, then they get frustrated. So the Amazon MP3 Installer (which I&#039;ve had no problems with in Ubuntu and Mac OS X) is also not a Windows problem even though it occurred on Windows? Make up your mind. If this situation is to be blamed on Apple and Amazon, then every Linux problem is to be blamed on ATI, Nvidia, Lexmark, and Broadcom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Linux desktop isn’t ready for the masses, and anyone who says it is, is just fooling themselves.</i></p>
<p>My point isn&#8217;t that Linux is ready for the masses. My point is that Windows and Mac aren&#8217;t either. &#8220;Readiness&#8221; is a red herring. There are many factors involved in what operating system people choose to use&mdash;&#8221;readiness&#8221; is not one of them.</p>
<p><i>There won’t be a “Year of the Linux Desktop” for some time, unless we really buckle down, and quit treating it like hacker’s wet dream.</i></p>
<p>Did I say there would be a year of the Linux desktop? I actually distinctly said there wouldn&#8217;t be: <a href="http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/the-linux-desktop-myth/" rel="nofollow">The Linux Desktop Myth</a></p>
<p><i>C’mon, in what way is this woman’s problems with her iPhone/iTunes a Windows problem? Is this apples or oranges?</i></p>
<p>This is again a double standard that Linux faces. So if someone had problems with her iPhone on Linux, people would say Linux has a problem, but since she has a problem with her iPhone on Windows&#8230; it&#8217;s Apple&#8217;s problem, I guess? Windows isn&#8217;t to blame? To most end users, <i>blame</i> and <i>fault</i> are irrelevant. They are either facing problems or they&#8217;re not. If they are facing problems, then they get frustrated. So the Amazon MP3 Installer (which I&#8217;ve had no problems with in Ubuntu and Mac OS X) is also not a Windows problem even though it occurred on Windows? Make up your mind. If this situation is to be blamed on Apple and Amazon, then every Linux problem is to be blamed on ATI, Nvidia, Lexmark, and Broadcom.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7096</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon, in what way is this woman&#039;s problems with her iPhone/iTunes a Windows problem?  Is this apples or oranges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, in what way is this woman&#8217;s problems with her iPhone/iTunes a Windows problem?  Is this apples or oranges?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Toponce</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7095</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Toponce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Linux desktop isn&#039;t ready for the masses, and anyone who says it is, is just fooling themselves. There won&#039;t be a &quot;Year of the Linux Desktop&quot; for some time, unless we really buckle down, and quit treating it like hacker&#039;s wet dream.

I read http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com, not because I hate Linux (I don&#039;t, I&#039;m actually quite fond of it), but because the author understands what&#039;s wrong with our beloved operating systems. That site is kind of like the kid coming to wedding party, uninvited, and spilling all the beans and dirt on the new couple, and any and all family members related to the newly weds. It sucks, but no one is doing anything about it, and until we quit turning a blind eye to it, we&#039;ll never be ready for the masses, and that&#039;s just the truth of it.

There are several reasons we have less than 2% desktop market share. I just mentioned one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Linux desktop isn&#8217;t ready for the masses, and anyone who says it is, is just fooling themselves. There won&#8217;t be a &#8220;Year of the Linux Desktop&#8221; for some time, unless we really buckle down, and quit treating it like hacker&#8217;s wet dream.</p>
<p>I read <a href="http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com</a>, not because I hate Linux (I don&#8217;t, I&#8217;m actually quite fond of it), but because the author understands what&#8217;s wrong with our beloved operating systems. That site is kind of like the kid coming to wedding party, uninvited, and spilling all the beans and dirt on the new couple, and any and all family members related to the newly weds. It sucks, but no one is doing anything about it, and until we quit turning a blind eye to it, we&#8217;ll never be ready for the masses, and that&#8217;s just the truth of it.</p>
<p>There are several reasons we have less than 2% desktop market share. I just mentioned one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/where-is-this-dreamland-in-which-windows-just-works/comment-page-1/#comment-7092</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i must agree at the time of writing this i just have put a post http://sinurge.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/why-windows-still-leads-and-not-linux/ on this. I do consider what you say is right.

What windows does and does amazingly well is some things and its like the 80:20 rule. for e.g my lan works. Thats one imp point if u claim this u got the online users on ur side. Which unless i purge nm from my pc is currently not possible.

Am not a windows fan boy or a linux hater. Would like both to be great as they are in their own league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i must agree at the time of writing this i just have put a post <a href="http://sinurge.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/why-windows-still-leads-and-not-linux/" rel="nofollow">http://sinurge.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/why-windows-still-leads-and-not-linux/</a> on this. I do consider what you say is right.</p>
<p>What windows does and does amazingly well is some things and its like the 80:20 rule. for e.g my lan works. Thats one imp point if u claim this u got the online users on ur side. Which unless i purge nm from my pc is currently not possible.</p>
<p>Am not a windows fan boy or a linux hater. Would like both to be great as they are in their own league.</p>
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		<title>By: ubuntucat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubuntucat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right, Neil.

But when I see these rants on the Ubuntu Forums or in blog posts, it&#039;s always the assertion that it&#039;s because there are problems that Linux isn&#039;t successful and not because Windows has a bigger in-person support infrastructure.

The other day, I had someone (in person, not online) ask me about Linux. He said he was intrigued by Linux but a bit scared of it. I said if he&#039;s scared he should find me or someone else he knows who can install Linux and set it up for him. He said he doesn&#039;t know anyone who uses Linux except me.

That pretty much sums it up.

Much of Windows&#039; dominance comes from inertia and infrastructure. Want a Windows computer? The store will be selling it. Want Windows support? Someone you know may be able to help you, or any pay-for service will probably do Windows. Need a program or application? It probably has a Windows port.

All of those are legitimate reasons people keep using Windows. I&#039;m not denying any of that. But the total lie that Windows works well and has no problems and that &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is why people use Windows instead of Linux just has to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, Neil.</p>
<p>But when I see these rants on the Ubuntu Forums or in blog posts, it&#8217;s always the assertion that it&#8217;s because there are problems that Linux isn&#8217;t successful and not because Windows has a bigger in-person support infrastructure.</p>
<p>The other day, I had someone (in person, not online) ask me about Linux. He said he was intrigued by Linux but a bit scared of it. I said if he&#8217;s scared he should find me or someone else he knows who can install Linux and set it up for him. He said he doesn&#8217;t know anyone who uses Linux except me.</p>
<p>That pretty much sums it up.</p>
<p>Much of Windows&#8217; dominance comes from inertia and infrastructure. Want a Windows computer? The store will be selling it. Want Windows support? Someone you know may be able to help you, or any pay-for service will probably do Windows. Need a program or application? It probably has a Windows port.</p>
<p>All of those are legitimate reasons people keep using Windows. I&#8217;m not denying any of that. But the total lie that Windows works well and has no problems and that <i>that</i> is why people use Windows instead of Linux just has to die.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil C. Obremski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil C. Obremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it has a lot to do with what you elude to in your last paragraph, but also that Windows has that critical mass among the masses.  When there IS a problem, generally there are other people who can assist, even those with minimal power-user experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it has a lot to do with what you elude to in your last paragraph, but also that Windows has that critical mass among the masses.  When there IS a problem, generally there are other people who can assist, even those with minimal power-user experience.</p>
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