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	<title>Comments on: What bothers me about the Ubuntu-Yahoo deal</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/what-bothers-me-about-the-ubuntu-yahoo-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-7628</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a relief to find your site. You understand what makes a user experience good and bad, and you are helping to make the Ubuntu experience easier.

I agree with a lot that you say (especially the thing about password entry in the Terminal window - no aknowledgement when you type in a correct one, but acknowledgement when you type in a bad one).

Unfortunately, people don&#039;t seem to listen to reason (which is what I find that you have in spades).

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a relief to find your site. You understand what makes a user experience good and bad, and you are helping to make the Ubuntu experience easier.</p>
<p>I agree with a lot that you say (especially the thing about password entry in the Terminal window &#8211; no aknowledgement when you type in a correct one, but acknowledgement when you type in a bad one).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, people don&#8217;t seem to listen to reason (which is what I find that you have in spades).</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: gaffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good for us consumers. We need serious competitors to Google.. not that Ubuntu switching to Yahoo! will matter much, but still.

I used Yahoo! Search myself, which is a very similar service to Google with a simplistic interface. The reason I changed to Google was because Yahoo! was routinely handing out information to the American government. Now the same thing is happening with Google. The CEO of Google was even  quoted saying &quot;If you have something that you don&#039;t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn&#039;t be doing it in the first place.&quot;

Privacy International has a lot of concerns regarding Google. My own biggest concern is that almost every single website has embedded tracking JavaScripts from Google. Google knows everything you do online. I use NoScript and denies scripts from Google. You get better privacy if you use Yahoo! Search, how&#039;s that for an argument in favour of Ubuntu&#039;s decision to boot Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good for us consumers. We need serious competitors to Google.. not that Ubuntu switching to Yahoo! will matter much, but still.</p>
<p>I used Yahoo! Search myself, which is a very similar service to Google with a simplistic interface. The reason I changed to Google was because Yahoo! was routinely handing out information to the American government. Now the same thing is happening with Google. The CEO of Google was even  quoted saying &#8220;If you have something that you don&#8217;t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn&#8217;t be doing it in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Privacy International has a lot of concerns regarding Google. My own biggest concern is that almost every single website has embedded tracking JavaScripts from Google. Google knows everything you do online. I use NoScript and denies scripts from Google. You get better privacy if you use Yahoo! Search, how&#8217;s that for an argument in favour of Ubuntu&#8217;s decision to boot Google?</p>
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		<title>By: Mimor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s all the fuzz about?
They got a deal by Google, now they have a better deal with Yahoo!
Where was all this fuzz when they shipped with Google as default search-engine? How much did they consult the community back then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s all the fuzz about?<br />
They got a deal by Google, now they have a better deal with Yahoo!<br />
Where was all this fuzz when they shipped with Google as default search-engine? How much did they consult the community back then?</p>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/what-bothers-me-about-the-ubuntu-yahoo-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-7580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice attempt to spin out of the picture that fact that, because defaults matter very much, Ubuntu has given Microsoft (through Yahoo) a helping hand in (a) expanding their monopolies (by making it easier to neutralize Google), (b) controlling what people (in particular noob FOSS/Linux people) get from searches, (c) gaining more money from advertizers (money that is that much less likely to go to help Linux and instead will go to marginalizing it), and ???. Additionally, Canonical seems to be putting a chunk of this money they are getting back into spreading the mono sickness that further helps Microsoft.

Google needs a greater check whenever possible. Unfortunately, Canonical should not have again jumped to help Microsoft (with Bang! this time). Will they at least spell out the details of the money that is changing hands and other details from the deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice attempt to spin out of the picture that fact that, because defaults matter very much, Ubuntu has given Microsoft (through Yahoo) a helping hand in (a) expanding their monopolies (by making it easier to neutralize Google), (b) controlling what people (in particular noob FOSS/Linux people) get from searches, (c) gaining more money from advertizers (money that is that much less likely to go to help Linux and instead will go to marginalizing it), and ???. Additionally, Canonical seems to be putting a chunk of this money they are getting back into spreading the mono sickness that further helps Microsoft.</p>
<p>Google needs a greater check whenever possible. Unfortunately, Canonical should not have again jumped to help Microsoft (with Bang! this time). Will they at least spell out the details of the money that is changing hands and other details from the deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Ingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks ! I do not understand the trouble and discussion:

I.) All the Ubuntu user still have the possibility to choose very easy their preferred search engine.

II.) In my opinion Canonical really has all the right to make such decisions without asking the users before. 
They spend a lot of money and work to provide us with such a nice distibution. We even do not have to spend a Penny for a CD shipped by Canonical.  

III.) I am a user of Firefox since the birth of this browser. First on Windoz, since three years on Ubuntu.
I never used this &quot;build in&quot; functionality of a search engine. My firefox has a second button panel with a button for Google, for Google maps, Jajah, Ubuntu (Forum), etc. 

So where is the problem with the search engine ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks ! I do not understand the trouble and discussion:</p>
<p>I.) All the Ubuntu user still have the possibility to choose very easy their preferred search engine.</p>
<p>II.) In my opinion Canonical really has all the right to make such decisions without asking the users before.<br />
They spend a lot of money and work to provide us with such a nice distibution. We even do not have to spend a Penny for a CD shipped by Canonical.  </p>
<p>III.) I am a user of Firefox since the birth of this browser. First on Windoz, since three years on Ubuntu.<br />
I never used this &#8220;build in&#8221; functionality of a search engine. My firefox has a second button panel with a button for Google, for Google maps, Jajah, Ubuntu (Forum), etc. </p>
<p>So where is the problem with the search engine ?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t considered your argument here about what&#039;s best for the end-user. As a user who occasionally uses Linux, I have always thought of Linux as an OS that tries to bring about the best technical and social aspects of technology to the consumer.

In these times, it isn&#039;t just about technical merit but also political and business issues (privacy, DRM, freedoms, etc..).

From a distance... I&#039;ve always respected the ideals the community has fostered.

Recently I read another article that somewhere along the lines of 70% of the kernel was developed by Corporate Interests. Interestingly... this concerned me as well for the same reasons. Issues regarding the speed of the kernel; support for consumer tech vs high-end servers; discontinued support for older technology (and possibly forcing users to adopt new standards), etc... also plays a role about what&#039;s best for whom.

From corporate involvement to decisions made for profit -- the dream of Linux can be slowly eroding away. As an outsider this just makes me feel that the differences between commercial OSes (Apple&#039;s dystopian future, Microsoft&#039;s dull bloat) and Linux are slowly dwindling.

Linux has many Distros that mostly derive their products from single sources - Kernel Developers (70% corporate work), the major Windows Managers (gnome/Microsoft), and other key components. It&#039;s these key players that are driving the decisions of Linux today not the community. The distributors are already handcuffed by the decisions these key players are making. To add some salt to the wound... the distributors are now making siilar decisions (profits before ideals).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t considered your argument here about what&#8217;s best for the end-user. As a user who occasionally uses Linux, I have always thought of Linux as an OS that tries to bring about the best technical and social aspects of technology to the consumer.</p>
<p>In these times, it isn&#8217;t just about technical merit but also political and business issues (privacy, DRM, freedoms, etc..).</p>
<p>From a distance&#8230; I&#8217;ve always respected the ideals the community has fostered.</p>
<p>Recently I read another article that somewhere along the lines of 70% of the kernel was developed by Corporate Interests. Interestingly&#8230; this concerned me as well for the same reasons. Issues regarding the speed of the kernel; support for consumer tech vs high-end servers; discontinued support for older technology (and possibly forcing users to adopt new standards), etc&#8230; also plays a role about what&#8217;s best for whom.</p>
<p>From corporate involvement to decisions made for profit &#8212; the dream of Linux can be slowly eroding away. As an outsider this just makes me feel that the differences between commercial OSes (Apple&#8217;s dystopian future, Microsoft&#8217;s dull bloat) and Linux are slowly dwindling.</p>
<p>Linux has many Distros that mostly derive their products from single sources &#8211; Kernel Developers (70% corporate work), the major Windows Managers (gnome/Microsoft), and other key components. It&#8217;s these key players that are driving the decisions of Linux today not the community. The distributors are already handcuffed by the decisions these key players are making. To add some salt to the wound&#8230; the distributors are now making siilar decisions (profits before ideals).</p>
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		<title>By: lykwydchykyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>lykwydchykyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the &quot;user&quot; community has as much right to be upset as the &quot;contributor&quot; community -- those that add value in some way by their volunteer efforts.  Whether they contribute code, artwork, documentation, beta testing, promotion, or end-user support, there are a lot of people who contribute to Ubuntu in some way that are not Canonical employees.  These people have varying expectations about where the &quot;lines&quot; are, and for some of them Canonical&#039;s actions crossed that line.

Canonical needs to make money, but they also need to maintain good relations with the contributing community.  IMHO, what they need to do is work out a set of areas that they can use for money making and business deals, such as default search, default home page, default desktop icons, etc. that would be acceptable to the contributor community.  In other words, they need to explicitly say &quot;Here&#039;s what we get to monetize so that this project can continue, but here are the lines we won&#039;t cross out of respect for your contributions and efforts.&quot;

If they start taking the approach that they can screw with Ubuntu in any way they want to make money, community be hanged, they&#039;ll end up like Xandros or Linspire: 95% commercial and 100% irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;user&#8221; community has as much right to be upset as the &#8220;contributor&#8221; community &#8212; those that add value in some way by their volunteer efforts.  Whether they contribute code, artwork, documentation, beta testing, promotion, or end-user support, there are a lot of people who contribute to Ubuntu in some way that are not Canonical employees.  These people have varying expectations about where the &#8220;lines&#8221; are, and for some of them Canonical&#8217;s actions crossed that line.</p>
<p>Canonical needs to make money, but they also need to maintain good relations with the contributing community.  IMHO, what they need to do is work out a set of areas that they can use for money making and business deals, such as default search, default home page, default desktop icons, etc. that would be acceptable to the contributor community.  In other words, they need to explicitly say &#8220;Here&#8217;s what we get to monetize so that this project can continue, but here are the lines we won&#8217;t cross out of respect for your contributions and efforts.&#8221;</p>
<p>If they start taking the approach that they can screw with Ubuntu in any way they want to make money, community be hanged, they&#8217;ll end up like Xandros or Linspire: 95% commercial and 100% irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But just think of the the marketing opportunities:
&quot;Ubuntu: Linux for Yahoos!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But just think of the the marketing opportunities:<br />
&#8220;Ubuntu: Linux for Yahoos!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrovar</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrovar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You summed up all my concern about this deal. No one is saying Canonical shouldnt make money from ubuntu. Because infact there haev been making a steady stream of profit by building commercial brands round ubuntu. Things like UbuntuOne, Landscape, The coming Ubuntu Music store. Canonical support etc are ways Canonical has been making money from ubuntu. But a line has to be drawn and any change made to the ubuntu offering should be based on Technical benefit to the user experience and not based on what canonical would benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You summed up all my concern about this deal. No one is saying Canonical shouldnt make money from ubuntu. Because infact there haev been making a steady stream of profit by building commercial brands round ubuntu. Things like UbuntuOne, Landscape, The coming Ubuntu Music store. Canonical support etc are ways Canonical has been making money from ubuntu. But a line has to be drawn and any change made to the ubuntu offering should be based on Technical benefit to the user experience and not based on what canonical would benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also do not want to have anything to do with Google.  They are the new evil empire that everyone seems to be cheering on to monopolyhood 

How can anyone claim that Google is good for open source?  They leech while rarely contributing code back.  Apple is a much better partner to open source than Google is.

Google uses open source because it is free, as in beer, not to ensure freedom in computing.  Kudo&#039;s to one&#039;s who chose Yahoo! for Ubuntu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also do not want to have anything to do with Google.  They are the new evil empire that everyone seems to be cheering on to monopolyhood </p>
<p>How can anyone claim that Google is good for open source?  They leech while rarely contributing code back.  Apple is a much better partner to open source than Google is.</p>
<p>Google uses open source because it is free, as in beer, not to ensure freedom in computing.  Kudo&#8217;s to one&#8217;s who chose Yahoo! for Ubuntu.</p>
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