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		<title>Can you help whom you&#8217;re attracted to?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kind of an odd question for a married person to ask, I know. But I do have single friends. My gut tells me &#8220;No.&#8221; It says &#8220;You can&#8217;t help whom you&#8217;re attracted to. Attraction is chemical. It&#8217;s coincidence or fate or something magical. It&#8217;s not like going to a store and picking something off the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of an odd question for a married person to ask, I know. But I do have single friends.
<p> My gut tells me &#8220;No.&#8221; It says &#8220;You can&#8217;t help whom you&#8217;re attracted to. Attraction is chemical. It&#8217;s coincidence or fate or something magical. It&#8217;s not like going to a store and picking something off the shelf or sifting through products online based on reviews.&#8221;
<p> I&#8217;m not so sure if it&#8217;s quite that simple, though. I know quite a number of couples (both fictional and real) who were not attracted to one another at first but who developed an attraction later (for a fictional example, watch <i>When Harry Met Sally&#8230;</i>). I&#8217;ve also heard of some arranged marriages in which love (actual romantic attraction, not some kind of duty or obligation) developed over time.
<p> And what do we mean when we say &#8220;Oh, just give him a chance&#8221; or &#8220;Wait till you get to know her better&#8221; to friends?
<p> I think one of the reasons people tend to be skeptical of the idea of <i>love at first sight</i> is the knowledge most of us have that you develop love as you get to know someone. And it isn&#8217;t just getting to know facts about them. It&#8217;s the experiences you share together&mdash;the memories of the good times and bad times, the things you&#8217;ve taught each other, and the things you&#8217;ve fought about.
<p> Surely we can&#8217;t just be successfully romantically involved with just anybody, but there is a little bit of choice or willpower involved. Just ask any het woman who has said something like &#8220;Oh, I used to go out with jerks because I thought they were exciting, and then I realized they were just jerks, and the drama wasn&#8217;t worth it.&#8221; If attraction were immutable, you would have to say &#8220;I&#8217;m attracted to jerks, and there&#8217;s nothing I can do about it.&#8221;
<p> Even simple physical attraction can change over time, as your tastes change or as you get to know a person better. There are times when you initially see someone attractive (because of a confident presence or good bone structure) and get to know her or him and later consider that person ugly&#8230; yes, even physically. And vice versa: there are people who don&#8217;t have the best facial structure, but their smile and warm personality come through in their faces and seem to be the most physically attractive people you know.
<p> Whether it comes naturally at first or develops over time, I think everyone wants to feel attractive to her or his mate.</p>
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		<title>Let&#8217;s take a moment for the short males</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ubuntucat</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Occasionally, I do some &#8220;tag surfing&#8221; and just see what other WordPress bloggers are blogging about. I happened today to stumble upon two posts that are related and make me sad when I think about the great guys I know who also happen to be short. Let&#8217;s take a moment to acknowledge het short men. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occasionally, I do some &#8220;tag surfing&#8221; and just see what other WordPress bloggers are blogging about. I happened today to stumble upon two posts that are related and make me sad when I think about the great guys I know who also happen to be short. Let&#8217;s take a moment to acknowledge het short men.<br /> <a href="http://muzemike.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/heightism1/">People Cannot Help Being Short</a><br /> <a href="http://inhaleandexhale.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/dating-deal-breakers/">Dating Deal Breakers</a>
<p> On the one hand, I think a little bit of superficiality makes sense. You should find the person you&#8217;re with attractive. Nevertheless, I think a lot of het short men really get a raw deal in the dating game. Het tall women get a little bit of that as well, but at least they can go for a taller man. A lot of short men even get the shaft from short women! Well, not much to say here. There&#8217;s no accounting for tastes or personal quirks, but it is sad when that leads to sociological widespread discrimination.</p>
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		<title>Why I was never a bitter nice guy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ubuntucat</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve met my fair share of bitter &#8220;nice guys,&#8221; but I&#8217;ve never been one of them. I&#8217;m a nice guy; I&#8217;m just not a bitter nice guy or ex-nice guy. You know whom I&#8217;m talking about: the guy who seems nice, fawns all over some girl he likes who happens to like jerks herself, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve met my fair share of bitter &#8220;nice guys,&#8221; but I&#8217;ve never been one of them. I&#8217;m a nice guy; I&#8217;m just not a <i>bitter</i> nice guy or ex-nice guy. You know whom I&#8217;m talking about: the guy who seems nice, fawns all over some girl he likes who happens to like jerks herself, and then when she doesn&#8217;t return his affections and says she thinks of him only as a friend, he gets all bitter about it and whines about how girls like only jerks. Eventually, he decides to be a jerk himself so he can get more girls.
<p> And if you don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about, you can read some of these rants from bitter ex-nice guys: <br /> <a href="http://justinvsblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/why-nice-guys-finish-last/">Why Nice Guys Finish Last</a><br /> <a href="http://kingofbrooklyn.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/nice-guys-finish-last-assholes-finish-with-time-to-spare/">Nice Guys Finish Last, Assholes finish with time to spare !</a><br /> <a href="http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html">&#8220;What Happened to All the Nice Guys?&#8221;</a>
<p> Now you know what I&#8217;m talking about. Well, I&#8217;ve never been like that. See, in my book, if you&#8217;re a nice guy only because you think it&#8217;ll get you girls and then turn into an asshole because you think that&#8217;ll get you girls instead when your nice guy act doesn&#8217;t work, then you&#8217;re not really  a nice guy. You&#8217;re an asshole who pretended to be a nice guy to get what he wanted. You were always an asshole&mdash;you&#8217;re just now finally owning up to it.
<p> If you&#8217;re nice, you shouldn&#8217;t be nice to reach some end goal. You should just be nice. It should be a part of who you are. <!-- I was in a situation like that with my best friend in college. I was her "nice guy," and I let her know I was interested in her, and she let me know she would never think of me that way. She dated a not-so-nice-guy instead, and I wasn't bitter about it, and I didn't decide I should be an asshole. I was her friend, and we hung out, and eventually she dumped him, we started a relationship, and we got married. -->
<p> The phenomenon, which is widespread but not absolute, of heterosexual women going for &#8220;jerks&#8221; instead of &#8220;nice guys&#8221; is complex, and I&#8217;ll try my best (as a het man) to explain it to all the pretend-nice-guys out there.
<p> Here are some reasons she may not be digging your nice guy act:
<ul>
<li><b>Many women find assertiveness attractive</b>, and a lot of jerks tend to be more assertive than their nice guy counterparts. Granted, the jerks can be overassertive (re: obnoxious), but these women find it better than nothing.
<li><b>A lot of nice guys are attentive to the point of being suffocating.</b> I know the stereotype is that men are the ones always complaining that they need space in the relationship, but women need space, too (it&#8217;s a human, not a male or female, need).
<li><b>A lot of nice guys like to whine</b> (as you can see from the above links) <b>about being nice and getting the shaft.</b> This kind of bitter self-pity isn&#8217;t attractive.
<li><b>Jerks create drama, and</b> (for a time at least) <b>drama can be fun</b>, particularly if you can share it with your girlfriends and have them commiserate in turn. A rite of passage for het women is the ability to complain about what bonehead thing your boyfriend has done lately.
<li><b>Many women subscribe to the notion of females being the more virtuous of the two main sexes.</b> A jerk makes a normal woman look great by comparison, and she doesn&#8217;t even have to do much. The more of a jerk he is, the more a martyr she looks like.
<li><b>Men aren&#8217;t the only ones who like the thrill of the chase</b>, or as <i>The Tao of Steve</i> says, <i>we pursue that which retreats from us</i> (or something like that). Traditionally, people tend to think of men as being the pursuers and women as the passive pursuees, but women can also enjoy a good chase, and some women may find supposed nice guys too readily available.
<li>On a similar note, <b>a lot of women enjoy a challenge</b>. They can sometimes view boyfriends as a makeover project, and if the guy is a jerk, all the more to make over. If the guy appears too much of a nice guy, she might worry that she&#8217;s the one who&#8217;s the makeover project for the guy.
<li>On a very basic level, <b>the media portrays the &#8220;bad boy&#8221; as exciting</b>. You want to be with the hunky guy, not stuck with Ducky. </ul>
<p> I should also add that it&#8217;s entirely possible that a lot of these snubbed &#8220;nice guys&#8221; might in turn be snubbing nice girls and going after jerk girls themselves for many of the same reasons these girls are going after jerk guys.
<p> Cheesy as it sounds, be yourself, and you&#8217;ll attract whom you&#8217;re supposed to. Relationships and dating may have game-like elements to them, but they are not games. The more you play games, the more you will also be played.
<p> This is the same reason het women shouldn&#8217;t debate about whether they should ever ask a guy out or not. If you&#8217;re afraid asking him out will turn him off, and you want a guy into traditional gender roles, don&#8217;t ask him out. If you don&#8217;t want a guy into traditional gender roles, don&#8217;t be afraid to ask him out. It&#8217;s not that difficult.
<p> <!-- And I'm not just saying that as a smug married person. --> If you&#8217;re nice, be nice. If you&#8217;re an asshole, don&#8217;t be pretend to be nice. Be who you are and confident in who you are. Confidence and a strong sense of identity are attractive to everyone.
<p> <b>Recommended Reading</b><br /> <a href="http://divalion.livejournal.com/163615.html">No More Mr. Nice Guy</a>
<p> <b>Further Reading</b><br /> <a href="http://mslaine.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/good-girls-and-their-bad-boys/">Good girls and their bad boys</a> <br /> <a href="http://xenlogic.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/why-nice-guys-finish-last/">Why Nice Guys Finish Last</a></p>
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