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		<title>By: ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my high school teacher noticed and complained of the same phenomenon back in 2006. your perspective sheds more light on this and yes, we need more captivating (i almost said strong, :/) male role models on television who aren&#039;t unabashedly sexist, i.e. house but also who aren&#039;t meek or stupid caricatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my high school teacher noticed and complained of the same phenomenon back in 2006. your perspective sheds more light on this and yes, we need more captivating (i almost said strong, :/) male role models on television who aren&#8217;t unabashedly sexist, i.e. house but also who aren&#8217;t meek or stupid caricatures.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis Agabey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otis Agabey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two interrelated factors determine this condition.

1. Political Correctness, (as dictated by the embedded political environment)

2. Popular Demand (as interpreted by those who think the people has fixed, reducible set of evaluation standards and needs)

First factor is briefly noted in the text, feminists, (at least the feminists that constitute mainstream feminism in US) oppose the traditional gender roles and stereotypes that reinforce and recreate them anew. 

This first factor has a lot to do with the emergent needs of the feminist movement to break outside of the sense of normalcy as dictated by the patriarchy, and other conditions that may be corrected or ameliorated through mass media enculturation.

However, this first position reinforces the illusion of equality, ends up confabulating an imagined society under the umbrella of editorial egalitarianism, that does not exist and can not exist because of its on-screen existence. Once the standards of the mass media make-believe sinks in, it inevitably forces it way into the &#039;perceived&#039; popular demand. Thus, a primary policy step that is inseparable from the whole of feminist discourse, ends up living the life of its own and its own only, eradicating all attempts and hopes of factual representation or exposition of existing inequalities.

That being said, I think it&#039;s also necessary to point out the inefficiency and insufficiency of the representational and pure feminist politics alone when considering the issue at hand. Without any regard or relevance to the fixed schema of self-sustenance that owes much to the less-debated economic system, it would be naive to hope for an invention or innovation to circumscribe the problem through the means of the medium. This brings us back to the questions asked in this text, all of which seem to be completely oblivious to that side of the policy making, and inevitably appealing to the unquestioned factors and neglecting the necessity of any systematic change.

And because of that, my friends, this conditioned reflex is rightfully called reactionary politics, since it invariably present a stale mate position where only the possible improvements are &#039;relevant&#039; to the question at hand, but not the present impositions which allow and arbitrate what might be asked, and what can be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two interrelated factors determine this condition.</p>
<p>1. Political Correctness, (as dictated by the embedded political environment)</p>
<p>2. Popular Demand (as interpreted by those who think the people has fixed, reducible set of evaluation standards and needs)</p>
<p>First factor is briefly noted in the text, feminists, (at least the feminists that constitute mainstream feminism in US) oppose the traditional gender roles and stereotypes that reinforce and recreate them anew. </p>
<p>This first factor has a lot to do with the emergent needs of the feminist movement to break outside of the sense of normalcy as dictated by the patriarchy, and other conditions that may be corrected or ameliorated through mass media enculturation.</p>
<p>However, this first position reinforces the illusion of equality, ends up confabulating an imagined society under the umbrella of editorial egalitarianism, that does not exist and can not exist because of its on-screen existence. Once the standards of the mass media make-believe sinks in, it inevitably forces it way into the &#8216;perceived&#8217; popular demand. Thus, a primary policy step that is inseparable from the whole of feminist discourse, ends up living the life of its own and its own only, eradicating all attempts and hopes of factual representation or exposition of existing inequalities.</p>
<p>That being said, I think it&#8217;s also necessary to point out the inefficiency and insufficiency of the representational and pure feminist politics alone when considering the issue at hand. Without any regard or relevance to the fixed schema of self-sustenance that owes much to the less-debated economic system, it would be naive to hope for an invention or innovation to circumscribe the problem through the means of the medium. This brings us back to the questions asked in this text, all of which seem to be completely oblivious to that side of the policy making, and inevitably appealing to the unquestioned factors and neglecting the necessity of any systematic change.</p>
<p>And because of that, my friends, this conditioned reflex is rightfully called reactionary politics, since it invariably present a stale mate position where only the possible improvements are &#8216;relevant&#8217; to the question at hand, but not the present impositions which allow and arbitrate what might be asked, and what can be done.</p>
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		<title>By: DollyAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>DollyAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for posting this. And you&#039;re right... feminists need to make sure they&#039;re addressing these issues. I noticed a similar article here: http://the-f-word.org/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/dear-media-my-husband-is-not-a-moron/

Your best point? &quot;It allows men to complain that feminism has made men look stupid.&quot; It feels like when we are talking about men&#039;s portrayals on television (your blog, my link, others I&#039;m sure), we go unnoticed or ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for posting this. And you&#8217;re right&#8230; feminists need to make sure they&#8217;re addressing these issues. I noticed a similar article here: <a href="http://the-f-word.org/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/dear-media-my-husband-is-not-a-moron/" rel="nofollow">http://the-f-word.org/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/dear-media-my-husband-is-not-a-moron/</a></p>
<p>Your best point? &#8220;It allows men to complain that feminism has made men look stupid.&#8221; It feels like when we are talking about men&#8217;s portrayals on television (your blog, my link, others I&#8217;m sure), we go unnoticed or ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: propecia</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/stupid-husbands-and-smart-wives-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator>propecia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, it can be offensive a healthy amount of the time how stupid and irrational the male can be, but I agree with the above comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, it can be offensive a healthy amount of the time how stupid and irrational the male can be, but I agree with the above comments.</p>
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		<title>By: themcp</title>
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		<dc:creator>themcp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for reviving an older post - but I just discovered this blog and I&#039;m avoiding my stack of morning work.

The &quot;Impossibly Tolerant and Successful Wife and Her Schlub Husband&quot; is related to the &quot;Badass Warrior Queen Who Will Probably Have Sex With You Miserable Schlubs&quot; in pop culture lore. 

Both are sexist figures disguised as &quot;positive&quot; depictions of women. The unifying reason that they are sexist? They are there to titillate men, not women. And that wouldn&#039;t be so bad... if the characters weren&#039;t so universally designed to reflect men&#039;s fantasies. I&#039;m actually ok with objectification for humor&#039;s sake - but the current power dynamic means that women really rarely ever get a chance to do any objectifying of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for reviving an older post &#8211; but I just discovered this blog and I&#8217;m avoiding my stack of morning work.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Impossibly Tolerant and Successful Wife and Her Schlub Husband&#8221; is related to the &#8220;Badass Warrior Queen Who Will Probably Have Sex With You Miserable Schlubs&#8221; in pop culture lore. </p>
<p>Both are sexist figures disguised as &#8220;positive&#8221; depictions of women. The unifying reason that they are sexist? They are there to titillate men, not women. And that wouldn&#8217;t be so bad&#8230; if the characters weren&#8217;t so universally designed to reflect men&#8217;s fantasies. I&#8217;m actually ok with objectification for humor&#8217;s sake &#8211; but the current power dynamic means that women really rarely ever get a chance to do any objectifying of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pim - even if these authority figures can insult you back in real life, think of when they choose to do so. Do they do so, say, out in public places? In front of total strangers? Maybe, and maybe not... but there&#039;s the question of that. It&#039;s different in front of other people, because they don&#039;t necessarily have the context to understand that you know each other well and it&#039;s okay. On television, the characters are always in front of the audience, who is of varying background and may be tuning in for the first time, and they lack the context to interpret what goes on. 

There&#039;s also the question of the spirit of the insults - sometimes in insult humor shows, it&#039;s all in fun. Other times it isn&#039;t (I don&#039;t think ANYONE can argue that the way Meg is treated in Family Guy is just all in good fun).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pim &#8211; even if these authority figures can insult you back in real life, think of when they choose to do so. Do they do so, say, out in public places? In front of total strangers? Maybe, and maybe not&#8230; but there&#8217;s the question of that. It&#8217;s different in front of other people, because they don&#8217;t necessarily have the context to understand that you know each other well and it&#8217;s okay. On television, the characters are always in front of the audience, who is of varying background and may be tuning in for the first time, and they lack the context to interpret what goes on. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the question of the spirit of the insults &#8211; sometimes in insult humor shows, it&#8217;s all in fun. Other times it isn&#8217;t (I don&#8217;t think ANYONE can argue that the way Meg is treated in Family Guy is just all in good fun).</p>
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		<title>By: christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the last comment.  I refuse to watch those shows because it really bothers me that an obnoxious ugly guy still &#039;deserves&#039; the hot woman who takes care of everything, yet she is still supposed to be the unpopular one with the viewers.  Anon said how I feel pretty perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the last comment.  I refuse to watch those shows because it really bothers me that an obnoxious ugly guy still &#8216;deserves&#8217; the hot woman who takes care of everything, yet she is still supposed to be the unpopular one with the viewers.  Anon said how I feel pretty perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it reaffirms the beliefs of many men: that no matter how disloyal, un-supporting, un-engaging, even ugly and/or fat they may be, they are entitled to a beautiful(read hot), smart, and successful woman who will do most of the child rearing and housework.  Despite this, the audience is supposed to feel sorry for the nagging they must endure (because it&#039;s considered universal that all women nag and complain incessantly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it reaffirms the beliefs of many men: that no matter how disloyal, un-supporting, un-engaging, even ugly and/or fat they may be, they are entitled to a beautiful(read hot), smart, and successful woman who will do most of the child rearing and housework.  Despite this, the audience is supposed to feel sorry for the nagging they must endure (because it&#8217;s considered universal that all women nag and complain incessantly).</p>
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		<title>By: Pim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the parallel you&#039;ve cited with authority figures making insults is quite right.  It may work in situations where people don&#039;t know each other that well... but when you are close to someone in a relationship be it teacher-student, pastor-church member, or boss-employee... you can make fun of each other and vise-versa.  I am senior to a number of other co-workers and can make fun of them because they are close to me... and my superior can do the same to me because I am close to him.  Now if the CEO whom I almost never interact with insulted me... then yea, it&#039;d be inappropriate.  Since you are drawing a parallel to marriage though, it would be more like two people who are close to each other rather than not, so someone not returning insults would not be suggestive of authority in that relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the parallel you&#8217;ve cited with authority figures making insults is quite right.  It may work in situations where people don&#8217;t know each other that well&#8230; but when you are close to someone in a relationship be it teacher-student, pastor-church member, or boss-employee&#8230; you can make fun of each other and vise-versa.  I am senior to a number of other co-workers and can make fun of them because they are close to me&#8230; and my superior can do the same to me because I am close to him.  Now if the CEO whom I almost never interact with insulted me&#8230; then yea, it&#8217;d be inappropriate.  Since you are drawing a parallel to marriage though, it would be more like two people who are close to each other rather than not, so someone not returning insults would not be suggestive of authority in that relationship.</p>
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