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	<title>Comments on: Software installation in Linux is difficult</title>
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		<title>By: Aeschylus</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/software-installation-in-linux-is-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-7511</link>
		<dc:creator>Aeschylus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a better example would be perhaps opening an .iso. In Linux, this is a right-click menu thing (under &quot;extract&quot;). On my Debian box it&#039;s as simple as double-clicking on it. Boom, there it is. On the command line, it&#039;s equally easy - 

sudo mount -o loop example.iso /mnt/example

What about copying a cd to an .iso and verifying it?

dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myCD.iso &amp;&amp; isovfy myCD.iso

On Windows? Windows doesn&#039;t even have the ability to mount any file in a looping fashion. So, you have to browse on the internet a good while. Now, you have a few choices, one of the most popular being Daemon Tools (Another being Alcohol 120). Daemon Tools limits you to how many isos you can have open at any one time, as does Alcohol. Not only that, but Alcohol comes with a adware toolbar, and they both have to seat themselves deep inside your system to actually function.

Even worse, to copy certain CD&#039;s on Windows, you must use Alcohol 120 and Daemon tools to rootkit your system. Yes, you just had to rootkit your system to copy a CD.

sudo mount -o loop example.iso /mnt/example 
is looking a little better now, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a better example would be perhaps opening an .iso. In Linux, this is a right-click menu thing (under &#8220;extract&#8221;). On my Debian box it&#8217;s as simple as double-clicking on it. Boom, there it is. On the command line, it&#8217;s equally easy &#8211; </p>
<p>sudo mount -o loop example.iso /mnt/example</p>
<p>What about copying a cd to an .iso and verifying it?</p>
<p>dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myCD.iso &amp;&amp; isovfy myCD.iso</p>
<p>On Windows? Windows doesn&#8217;t even have the ability to mount any file in a looping fashion. So, you have to browse on the internet a good while. Now, you have a few choices, one of the most popular being Daemon Tools (Another being Alcohol 120). Daemon Tools limits you to how many isos you can have open at any one time, as does Alcohol. Not only that, but Alcohol comes with a adware toolbar, and they both have to seat themselves deep inside your system to actually function.</p>
<p>Even worse, to copy certain CD&#8217;s on Windows, you must use Alcohol 120 and Daemon tools to rootkit your system. Yes, you just had to rootkit your system to copy a CD.</p>
<p>sudo mount -o loop example.iso /mnt/example<br />
is looking a little better now, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: ubuntucat</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/software-installation-in-linux-is-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-7315</link>
		<dc:creator>ubuntucat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is this one of these examples of how easy it is to install software on Ubuntu?&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not an example.

All the assertions about Linux software being difficult to install involve obscure atypical examples. &lt;i&gt;ndiswrapper&lt;/i&gt; is a last-resort workaround. I&#039;ve never had to use it (and that&#039;s on five different computers), and a lot of other people haven&#039;t had to either.

Even though Hearts was a terrible example because apparently it comes with Windows, the typical example for Windows is still the same procedure: search the web, hope the download isn&#039;t dodgy, click a whole bunch of times, maybe reboot.

I&#039;m comparing typical to typical. You want to compare typical to obscure. If you&#039;re having trouble with wireless, get a different wireless card (I&#039;d recommend Intel) and sell your old one. Though, I&#039;m using a Broadcom wireless card (notoriously Linux-unfriendly), and all I had to do was go to System &gt; Administration &gt; Hardware Drivers and click Activate to install the drivers needed. I&#039;ve certainly had much more difficulty over the years finding Windows drivers than finding Linux ones. To each her own. If you like Windows and it works for you, you don&#039;t have to use Linux. Just don&#039;t pretend Linux is difficult for everyone or even most people. I used DOS and then Windows for decades before Linux, so I feel I&#039;m in a good position to critique Windows. I&#039;ve used Linux for only four and a half years. I&#039;m no Linux expert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is this one of these examples of how easy it is to install software on Ubuntu?</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an example.</p>
<p>All the assertions about Linux software being difficult to install involve obscure atypical examples. <i>ndiswrapper</i> is a last-resort workaround. I&#8217;ve never had to use it (and that&#8217;s on five different computers), and a lot of other people haven&#8217;t had to either.</p>
<p>Even though Hearts was a terrible example because apparently it comes with Windows, the typical example for Windows is still the same procedure: search the web, hope the download isn&#8217;t dodgy, click a whole bunch of times, maybe reboot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m comparing typical to typical. You want to compare typical to obscure. If you&#8217;re having trouble with wireless, get a different wireless card (I&#8217;d recommend Intel) and sell your old one. Though, I&#8217;m using a Broadcom wireless card (notoriously Linux-unfriendly), and all I had to do was go to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers and click Activate to install the drivers needed. I&#8217;ve certainly had much more difficulty over the years finding Windows drivers than finding Linux ones. To each her own. If you like Windows and it works for you, you don&#8217;t have to use Linux. Just don&#8217;t pretend Linux is difficult for everyone or even most people. I used DOS and then Windows for decades before Linux, so I feel I&#8217;m in a good position to critique Windows. I&#8217;ve used Linux for only four and a half years. I&#8217;m no Linux expert.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussiedude</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/software-installation-in-linux-is-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-7312</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussiedude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper

I&#039;m sorry? Is this one of these examples of how easy it is to install software on Ubuntu? Just tried again recently to install Linux since it&#039;s supposively so much more user friendly now. I&#039;ll let you know when I eventually get through compiling all the software I need to get windows drivers to work so I can connect to the internet.

(Don&#039;t get me wrong, I hate Windows, and I love Linux, but there is weight to the claims that Linux isn&#039;t user friendly.)</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sorry? Is this one of these examples of how easy it is to install software on Ubuntu? Just tried again recently to install Linux since it&#8217;s supposively so much more user friendly now. I&#8217;ll let you know when I eventually get through compiling all the software I need to get windows drivers to work so I can connect to the internet.</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I hate Windows, and I love Linux, but there is weight to the claims that Linux isn&#8217;t user friendly.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubuntu installs most of the apps that most users need &#039;out of the box&#039;.  No pressing need for the web.  Canonical will even mail you an install CD for free if you have no net connection.  I doubt either Apple or MS will be that generous...

What Ubuntu users do when they &#039;format their system&#039; is to re-install anything they&#039;ve added/updated using a CD or DVD that contains their additions.  They can quickly &amp; easily create such a backup disk using a nifty utility called &#039;aptOnCD&#039;.  No need for the web to restore either.

And yes, I&#039;ve tried a Mac; had one on my desk at work.  I replaced it with a Win-Tel laptop...and installed Ubuntu on it.  :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubuntu installs most of the apps that most users need &#8216;out of the box&#8217;.  No pressing need for the web.  Canonical will even mail you an install CD for free if you have no net connection.  I doubt either Apple or MS will be that generous&#8230;</p>
<p>What Ubuntu users do when they &#8216;format their system&#8217; is to re-install anything they&#8217;ve added/updated using a CD or DVD that contains their additions.  They can quickly &amp; easily create such a backup disk using a nifty utility called &#8216;aptOnCD&#8217;.  No need for the web to restore either.</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;ve tried a Mac; had one on my desk at work.  I replaced it with a Win-Tel laptop&#8230;and installed Ubuntu on it.  :^)</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek Dev</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/software-installation-in-linux-is-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-6634</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek Dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever tried a Mac? Software installation is as simple as a drag-n-drop and so is the uninstall procedure.

What happens to Ubuntu (Linux) users in countries with NO Internet Access or with snail slow Internet Connections!

And then again when you format your system (every software has to be downloaded again).

Dont want to be so web-centric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever tried a Mac? Software installation is as simple as a drag-n-drop and so is the uninstall procedure.</p>
<p>What happens to Ubuntu (Linux) users in countries with NO Internet Access or with snail slow Internet Connections!</p>
<p>And then again when you format your system (every software has to be downloaded again).</p>
<p>Dont want to be so web-centric.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &quot;me&quot; says is true. You can&#039;t do that comparison. It&#039;s not fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What &#8220;me&#8221; says is true. You can&#8217;t do that comparison. It&#8217;s not fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Scopel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno Scopel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAHA xD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAHA xD</p>
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		<title>By: ubuntucat</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/software-installation-in-linux-is-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-6443</link>
		<dc:creator>ubuntucat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;try to install photoshop, autocad or some game like Crysis&quot;

I&#039;ll do that after you try to install GarageBand on Windows or try to install OneNote on Mac OS X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;try to install photoshop, autocad or some game like Crysis&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do that after you try to install GarageBand on Windows or try to install OneNote on Mac OS X.</p>
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		<title>By: Domingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA 

Soltaire!

try to install photoshop, autocad or some game like Crysis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA </p>
<p>Soltaire!</p>
<p>try to install photoshop, autocad or some game like Crysis</p>
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		<title>By: Dark-Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/software-installation-in-linux-is-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-6340</link>
		<dc:creator>Dark-Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm...

I was always wondering why every  windows version comes with hearts...

I think I know why now :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>I was always wondering why every  windows version comes with hearts&#8230;</p>
<p>I think I know why now :P</p>
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