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		<title>By: Jyrhino</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-11460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jyrhino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Ubuntucat is saying about intuitive things is that there are certain behaviors that a user of XX OS is used to that either don&#039;t translate or are different than YY OS. I&#039;ve worked with software that used X and C (no control) for cut and copy of text only. And hitting return/enter when an icon is selected is just plain &#039;normal&#039;. I love my Macs, and my Windows Wintel PCs, and my SGIs and my Suns and my Linux based Wintels ... but there are idiosyncrasies to each system and depending on your previous experiences they may be huge problems to you. 

Before OS/X, renaming groups of files on a Mac was beyond tedious. And backups of the system were amazingly easy on the old MacOS; copying a certain set of files was it. No backup program, just copy and voila! Backed up system. I fell in love with that feature.

As to installers, going from Wintel Windows PCs to Mac was a bit unnerving ... but once I got used to it (especially in MacOS) the Windows way appeared to suck. And once I moved from Slackware to Ubuntu, the installs were far easier. My only problem is when you go to load some program, you should be given the info about drivespace and what this will use, clearly and loudly.

Personally I think OS/X is ugly as &amp;*() BUT it is beautifully consistent; My iPhone s pretty, but except for the actual icons themselves, it looks just like any other iPhone. I can&#039;t change layout or colors or ... or ... Since I like to personalize the machines I use, I&#039;m either going to make my own Linux based phone device or go with Android if that appears too costly. Consistent is good for learning, after that consistence for the sake of consistency sucks (to me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Ubuntucat is saying about intuitive things is that there are certain behaviors that a user of XX OS is used to that either don&#8217;t translate or are different than YY OS. I&#8217;ve worked with software that used X and C (no control) for cut and copy of text only. And hitting return/enter when an icon is selected is just plain &#8216;normal&#8217;. I love my Macs, and my Windows Wintel PCs, and my SGIs and my Suns and my Linux based Wintels &#8230; but there are idiosyncrasies to each system and depending on your previous experiences they may be huge problems to you. </p>
<p>Before OS/X, renaming groups of files on a Mac was beyond tedious. And backups of the system were amazingly easy on the old MacOS; copying a certain set of files was it. No backup program, just copy and voila! Backed up system. I fell in love with that feature.</p>
<p>As to installers, going from Wintel Windows PCs to Mac was a bit unnerving &#8230; but once I got used to it (especially in MacOS) the Windows way appeared to suck. And once I moved from Slackware to Ubuntu, the installs were far easier. My only problem is when you go to load some program, you should be given the info about drivespace and what this will use, clearly and loudly.</p>
<p>Personally I think OS/X is ugly as &amp;*() BUT it is beautifully consistent; My iPhone s pretty, but except for the actual icons themselves, it looks just like any other iPhone. I can&#8217;t change layout or colors or &#8230; or &#8230; Since I like to personalize the machines I use, I&#8217;m either going to make my own Linux based phone device or go with Android if that appears too costly. Consistent is good for learning, after that consistence for the sake of consistency sucks (to me.)</p>
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		<title>By: sasd</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-9538</link>
		<dc:creator>sasd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can buy Sony Acid Music Studio which is otherwise comparable to Garageband and in addition offers studio quality mixing for Windows. You can also get Vegas Studio for Sony which is more powerful than either Imovie and Idvd or you can get the Adobe Elements bundle (which include stripped down versions of Photoshop and Premiere).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can buy Sony Acid Music Studio which is otherwise comparable to Garageband and in addition offers studio quality mixing for Windows. You can also get Vegas Studio for Sony which is more powerful than either Imovie and Idvd or you can get the Adobe Elements bundle (which include stripped down versions of Photoshop and Premiere).</p>
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		<title>By: John and Dagny Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-5924</link>
		<dc:creator>John and Dagny Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use OSX,XP, and over a dozen other *nix distros. All have their good points and bad points. I cannot however, in sincere good faith, recommend a Mac to anyone. The higher initial investment is not warranted even with the better construction of the machine and its more asthetic presentations. I&#039;m running Damn Small Linux on an old 1997 Gateway laptop with a 150mhz processor, 224mb ram, 3gb hard drive, and a netgear 10/100 PCMCIA lan card. I also still have Windows 3.1 running on a PII 350mhz frankenbox contraption. I also routinely assemble/connect bare components on a test table to conduct experiments regarding hardware, software, operating systems, and peripherals(cooling fans where/when necessary).

For anyone reading this and contemplating paying the premium for a new machine, unless it&#039;s a do-or-die don&#039;t waste your money. Somebody somewhere has a deal you just can&#039;t pass up. I&#039;m always checking newspaper ads, craigslist, and even ebay for those bargains. Don&#039;t be afraid to offer less than someone is asking and, as always, know what you&#039;re buying and what it&#039;s REALLY worth. To wit, you can buy a brand new full-feature laptop today from Newegg or Best Buy for UNDER $350.00 so don&#039;t let someone snooker you into paying too much for their old, out-of-warranty machine.

And as always, your mileage may vary, buyer be aware and beware...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use OSX,XP, and over a dozen other *nix distros. All have their good points and bad points. I cannot however, in sincere good faith, recommend a Mac to anyone. The higher initial investment is not warranted even with the better construction of the machine and its more asthetic presentations. I&#8217;m running Damn Small Linux on an old 1997 Gateway laptop with a 150mhz processor, 224mb ram, 3gb hard drive, and a netgear 10/100 PCMCIA lan card. I also still have Windows 3.1 running on a PII 350mhz frankenbox contraption. I also routinely assemble/connect bare components on a test table to conduct experiments regarding hardware, software, operating systems, and peripherals(cooling fans where/when necessary).</p>
<p>For anyone reading this and contemplating paying the premium for a new machine, unless it&#8217;s a do-or-die don&#8217;t waste your money. Somebody somewhere has a deal you just can&#8217;t pass up. I&#8217;m always checking newspaper ads, craigslist, and even ebay for those bargains. Don&#8217;t be afraid to offer less than someone is asking and, as always, know what you&#8217;re buying and what it&#8217;s REALLY worth. To wit, you can buy a brand new full-feature laptop today from Newegg or Best Buy for UNDER $350.00 so don&#8217;t let someone snooker you into paying too much for their old, out-of-warranty machine.</p>
<p>And as always, your mileage may vary, buyer be aware and beware&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gse1woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>gse1woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I try to explain a lot of these points to co-workers all the time. I use a MacBook Pro Unibody and all three operating systems (triple boot OSX, Win7, &amp; Ubuntu). I also use Ubuntu Remix on my HP Mini. People see my MBP and are drawn in by the look and feel of the machine and start asking questions. I think I will help save my time and point them to this review.

As for price, it looks like Apple just lowered them on their laptops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I try to explain a lot of these points to co-workers all the time. I use a MacBook Pro Unibody and all three operating systems (triple boot OSX, Win7, &amp; Ubuntu). I also use Ubuntu Remix on my HP Mini. People see my MBP and are drawn in by the look and feel of the machine and start asking questions. I think I will help save my time and point them to this review.</p>
<p>As for price, it looks like Apple just lowered them on their laptops.</p>
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		<title>By: cyberdork33</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-5714</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberdork33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try to be rather unbiased myself. I also use all three operating systems regularly. As I said, it is a very good article, and it shows that you genuinely made an attempt to simply make an observation rather than say that one thing is better than the other.

To me, it is more intuitive to simply drag an application from a disk image into an &quot;Applications&quot; folder instead of placing files all over my machine, and not giving a through indication of what files were placed where. Anyway, I didn&#039;t and don&#039;t want to argue about whether one method is better than the other, but you have stated that the method of installing applications on a Mac is not intuitive before, and I just disagree, but maybe that is just my preference for using Mac OS X. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to be rather unbiased myself. I also use all three operating systems regularly. As I said, it is a very good article, and it shows that you genuinely made an attempt to simply make an observation rather than say that one thing is better than the other.</p>
<p>To me, it is more intuitive to simply drag an application from a disk image into an &#8220;Applications&#8221; folder instead of placing files all over my machine, and not giving a through indication of what files were placed where. Anyway, I didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t want to argue about whether one method is better than the other, but you have stated that the method of installing applications on a Mac is not intuitive before, and I just disagree, but maybe that is just my preference for using Mac OS X. :)</p>
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		<title>By: ubuntucat</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-5699</link>
		<dc:creator>ubuntucat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did try to be as unbiased as I could. Obviously there are human limitations to this. The main reason I put &lt;i&gt;unbiased&lt;/i&gt; in the title is for search engines. When people search for unbiased views on Macs, I want them to find this post.

I did my own search for unbiased views but couldn&#039;t find any that came even close to unbiased. Obviously there are some things that will irk me that don&#039;t irk others and some things that will impress me that won&#039;t impress others, but at the moment (and this could change&#8212;I hope it does, actually) this is probably the most unbiased view of Macs you&#039;re going to find on the internet.

Nevertheless, I don&#039;t see how bias shows through in my list of counterintuitive things about OS X. I&#039;m pointing out inconsistent or unpredictable behavior (Cmd-C working to copy both text and files but Cmd-X working only to cut text and not files), or things you would not be able to figure out on your own. I don&#039;t use an installer file in Linux. I use the package manager. That is far more intuitive than either the setup.exe or the application.dmg. You go to Applications and see Add/Remove and get a list of applications you can add or remove. With a white disk on the desktop, I have no idea what to do with that. In fact, I had to do a Google search in order to figure out how to install applications in OS X.

There are counterintuitive things about Linux and Windows as well, of course. Why does the Start menu in Windows have Shut Down in it? Why does Windows have a Control Panel icon for Add or Remove applications when it&#039;s used only to remove applications? Why in Gnome does Control-Q quit most applications but you have to use Control-W to close the Nautilus file manager? For the Gnome panel, what&#039;s the point of having to manually lock and unlock applets if you can&#039;t even drag the unlocked applets without right-clicking them first?

Yes, I am human. But I am a human who regularly uses Mac OS X, Windows, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Ubuntu Linux. I don&#039;t bag on any operating system (and I&#039;m one of the few people I know who refrains in this respect). I prefer Linux personally, but I like Windows and Mac OS X, too. I&#039;m in as good a position as anyone to say what&#039;s intuitive or counterintuitive (although it&#039;s almost a moot point because familiarity trumps intuitiveness anyway).

What you may perceive as bias may have to do with how much time I spend on certain aspects of Macs and OS X. I&#039;m not approaching this in a vacuum. I&#039;m mainly trying to dispel myths about Macs (both positive and negative). Even though there are a lot of things I like about OS X&#039;s interface, the myth is that it&#039;s intuitive and easier to use, so that&#039;s why I spent more time explaining what&#039;s counterintuitive about it. Likewise, there is a myth that Macs are overpriced PCs that have nothing more to offer, which is why I spent time explaining some of the physical design elements in exterior hardware that make Macs appealing to people. At the same time, I&#039;m trying to counter the notion that Macs have superior interior hardware (which, as you can see from the other comments, is still a persistent myth).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did try to be as unbiased as I could. Obviously there are human limitations to this. The main reason I put <i>unbiased</i> in the title is for search engines. When people search for unbiased views on Macs, I want them to find this post.</p>
<p>I did my own search for unbiased views but couldn&#8217;t find any that came even close to unbiased. Obviously there are some things that will irk me that don&#8217;t irk others and some things that will impress me that won&#8217;t impress others, but at the moment (and this could change&mdash;I hope it does, actually) this is probably the most unbiased view of Macs you&#8217;re going to find on the internet.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I don&#8217;t see how bias shows through in my list of counterintuitive things about OS X. I&#8217;m pointing out inconsistent or unpredictable behavior (Cmd-C working to copy both text and files but Cmd-X working only to cut text and not files), or things you would not be able to figure out on your own. I don&#8217;t use an installer file in Linux. I use the package manager. That is far more intuitive than either the setup.exe or the application.dmg. You go to Applications and see Add/Remove and get a list of applications you can add or remove. With a white disk on the desktop, I have no idea what to do with that. In fact, I had to do a Google search in order to figure out how to install applications in OS X.</p>
<p>There are counterintuitive things about Linux and Windows as well, of course. Why does the Start menu in Windows have Shut Down in it? Why does Windows have a Control Panel icon for Add or Remove applications when it&#8217;s used only to remove applications? Why in Gnome does Control-Q quit most applications but you have to use Control-W to close the Nautilus file manager? For the Gnome panel, what&#8217;s the point of having to manually lock and unlock applets if you can&#8217;t even drag the unlocked applets without right-clicking them first?</p>
<p>Yes, I am human. But I am a human who regularly uses Mac OS X, Windows, <i>and</i> Ubuntu Linux. I don&#8217;t bag on any operating system (and I&#8217;m one of the few people I know who refrains in this respect). I prefer Linux personally, but I like Windows and Mac OS X, too. I&#8217;m in as good a position as anyone to say what&#8217;s intuitive or counterintuitive (although it&#8217;s almost a moot point because familiarity trumps intuitiveness anyway).</p>
<p>What you may perceive as bias may have to do with how much time I spend on certain aspects of Macs and OS X. I&#8217;m not approaching this in a vacuum. I&#8217;m mainly trying to dispel myths about Macs (both positive and negative). Even though there are a lot of things I like about OS X&#8217;s interface, the myth is that it&#8217;s intuitive and easier to use, so that&#8217;s why I spent more time explaining what&#8217;s counterintuitive about it. Likewise, there is a myth that Macs are overpriced PCs that have nothing more to offer, which is why I spent time explaining some of the physical design elements in exterior hardware that make Macs appealing to people. At the same time, I&#8217;m trying to counter the notion that Macs have superior interior hardware (which, as you can see from the other comments, is still a persistent myth).</p>
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		<title>By: cyberdork33</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-5697</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberdork33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. &quot;unbiased&quot; is a strong word though, and while it is a good attempt at an unbiased viewpoint, I don&#039;t think anyone can truly be unbiased about such things completely (myself included). I can definitely see a bias in your listing of counter-intuitive things about OS X. While all the things you list a true, I don&#039;t necessarily see them as intuitive or counter-intuitive... it is just different or annoying. It is only counter-intuitive if you have some preconception  or a preference about how it should work already, and I think that expecting an &quot;installer&quot; for applications, especially, is one of those things. On the other hand, what I do see as counter-intuitive about OS X applications is the inconsistency in how they are installed... some have installers, others do not... Some are in disk images that you mount, others are in zip files...

Thanks for a good read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. &#8220;unbiased&#8221; is a strong word though, and while it is a good attempt at an unbiased viewpoint, I don&#8217;t think anyone can truly be unbiased about such things completely (myself included). I can definitely see a bias in your listing of counter-intuitive things about OS X. While all the things you list a true, I don&#8217;t necessarily see them as intuitive or counter-intuitive&#8230; it is just different or annoying. It is only counter-intuitive if you have some preconception  or a preference about how it should work already, and I think that expecting an &#8220;installer&#8221; for applications, especially, is one of those things. On the other hand, what I do see as counter-intuitive about OS X applications is the inconsistency in how they are installed&#8230; some have installers, others do not&#8230; Some are in disk images that you mount, others are in zip files&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for a good read.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the current version of Ubuntu running just fine on hardware I bought between 1995 &amp; 1998 (Abit BX6r2).  I have it running on IDE &amp; SCSI.  Nvidia TNT &amp; Matrox G400 video boards...

I&#039;m writing this from a PC built around an MSI MS-9105 motherboard (dual Tualatin PIII-S CPUs -- VERY obscure!), built up with parts that are 8-10 years old.

One of the most amazing things about Ubuntu is that it seems no matter what collection of hardware you pop the LiveCD into, it somehow knows how to run it.  Without ever downloading (or worse, searching for) a driver...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the current version of Ubuntu running just fine on hardware I bought between 1995 &amp; 1998 (Abit BX6r2).  I have it running on IDE &amp; SCSI.  Nvidia TNT &amp; Matrox G400 video boards&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this from a PC built around an MSI MS-9105 motherboard (dual Tualatin PIII-S CPUs &#8212; VERY obscure!), built up with parts that are 8-10 years old.</p>
<p>One of the most amazing things about Ubuntu is that it seems no matter what collection of hardware you pop the LiveCD into, it somehow knows how to run it.  Without ever downloading (or worse, searching for) a driver&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chowder</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-5595</link>
		<dc:creator>Chowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ zumran: Wireless on Ubuntu works fine. Did you read the documentation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ zumran: Wireless on Ubuntu works fine. Did you read the documentation?</p>
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		<title>By: keithpeter</title>
		<link>http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/an-unbiased-view-on-macs/comment-page-1/#comment-5552</link>
		<dc:creator>keithpeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Balanced views here. I would just add that my iBook G4 (now used by my partner Ruth for BBC and DVD watching) runs the most recent OS fine and can perform most of the usual tasks, so the longevity is there. Try finding a current version of Windows that will run on 6 year old hardware.

I work as a teacher and I have an interest in learning centres and libraries. On a recent visit, I saw a library that had 20 iMacs in use as student machines for Internet and use for assignments. The rationale was simple: yes, they are more expensive, but they can dual boot into Mac OS and Windows and the Mac OS side gives the art and design students access to their specialised software, and they take up less space than a CPU and monitor.

One day. we will have ubuntustudio there instead, but that could be a longish time coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balanced views here. I would just add that my iBook G4 (now used by my partner Ruth for BBC and DVD watching) runs the most recent OS fine and can perform most of the usual tasks, so the longevity is there. Try finding a current version of Windows that will run on 6 year old hardware.</p>
<p>I work as a teacher and I have an interest in learning centres and libraries. On a recent visit, I saw a library that had 20 iMacs in use as student machines for Internet and use for assignments. The rationale was simple: yes, they are more expensive, but they can dual boot into Mac OS and Windows and the Mac OS side gives the art and design students access to their specialised software, and they take up less space than a CPU and monitor.</p>
<p>One day. we will have ubuntustudio there instead, but that could be a longish time coming.</p>
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